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2883 No.698   [Delete]   [Edit]  [Reply]

about this guy here?

It looks some kind of a fetus, maybe it means that Madotsuki is pregnant and doesn't want to have that child, because is the result of a rape and tries to kill it, which could mean why it's crying (?)

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>He's something the deepest parts of Madotsuki cannot hide.

I can actually agree with this. He's hard to get to--you have to first get to Mars, which takes a while because of the probability of getting to the spaceship, then activating the alarm, etc. Then you have to talk a long hike to get to a tiny hole to go underground.

Perhaps crying-cyclops-foot-man here is some repressed memory of Madotsuki's? I'm not implying rape, but something else rather painful that happened long enough ago that she doesn't think about it much, but it still pains her to think about it.

Or maybe I'm analyzing it too much. Whatever.

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I don't think you can over analyze this game, as it seems to be designed to overspeculate.

Maybe her stabbing everything she sees which is disturbing could be a pattern of behavior she follows in real life. Meaning, that she avoids and represses every feeling of anything disturbing that reminds her of any event that ever caused her any anxiety, fear, pain, depression, etc. In the game she would run the hell away from the 'torengian' bird people, but this mirrors her avoidance in real life, i.e not being able to leave her own house due to intense anxiety. Stabbing memories and such, instead of dealing with them...

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Why does it chime when you interact with it instead of stabbing it?

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It could be rape. You're flying on a white spaceship to a red planet. Sperm and an egg. You then walk in a tiny hole on mars and see this thing... :/

It chimes because the piano music.

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44335 No.774   [Delete]   [Edit]  [Reply]

Maybe there's a Connection between this city and yume nikki

NY: New York
YN: Yume Nikki

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>> No.775   [Delete]   [Edit]

Weird ;x

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I always wondered when and where Yume Nikki took place.

My two crackpot theories are:

1.The Famicom suggests the story takes place in or around the 80's, since there isn't any of the new technology you see nowadays (minus the spaceship =p)

2.The game actually takes place in the Earthbound universe (I know, really out there, but like I said, crackpot theories. I forgot how I came upon this conclusion.)

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>>774 How the hell did you conclude it was New York?

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._. i was on crack. That's why.

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This isn't one I take too seriously, but it was an itneresting 'what if' thought I had earlier.

For anyone who has read Saya no Uta this might make more sense.

Let's say Madotsuki wasn't originally a shut in, but one day she had a horrific accident akin to the one that happened to the main character of Saya.

Mado recovers, but some things just don't look right anymore - the shy girl down the street has grown multiple arms, her best friend has been replaced by some blob like monster.

She has no one to confide in, not even a 'Saya' to keep her sane, so she shuts her eyes tight and retreats to her house - what she can't see isn't real, perhaps.

She starts to resort to her dreams, and at first her dreams represent the world she once knew, but over time she starts to forget things - her mind starts representing people as the monsterous things she sees, corrupting her perfect dream world.

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Oh, and the knife-crazy thing I took as an adaption of the protagonist from Saya no Uta - he becomes disgusted with the people who used to be his friends and delves into murder and even cannibalism because he can't see them as being human any longer.

Madotsuki may not want to murder humans, but monsters is another story.

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Theory: Poniko/Uboa is like Saya.

A cute girl, but with another form.
The event lets Mado see her "Saya" form.

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Actually I think this theory seems far more realistic than othars ¬__¬

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Likely because it isn't a load of Freudian bullshit. The more I read it the more sense it seems to make, especially regarding the whole accident thing (imagery like Shitai and Monoe, the stoplight effect...). Maybe she took a blow to the head that of course, in addition to the mental trauma, harmed her physically, and her perception was altered as a combination of both.

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Here's something I thought about.

Let's say the first few times she dreams in the game, she dreams only that she watches TV (the eye, one time the Kalimba) then, she finally notices she can't play her game because it is gone. So she looks outside to her balcony for it, nowhere to be found. Walks back in, and ponders where it would've gone. Then she figured, someone stole it! Even more so, the thief is outside that damn door...

So, she bravely stands up, wanting to find the thief or anyone who's seen the thief, she walks up to the door, opens it, and out she goes. Instead of a hallway, there's a room full of doors. She had stepped into another world.

Where would the thief go, she wondered. She stood in the center of the room, wondering if she should just start at the first door and go clockwise, or just pick a random one.

She ended up with a random door. Opening it, she stepped in and it indeed was a whole new world. So big that the thief could be anywhere, or anyone. But she started her search.

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>her curiosity and at first wanting to find the console thief, makes her disobey the warnings.
>So when she finds the knife, it came no surprise that she used it against the more sinister creatures
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>before she tipped over backwards and fell right off

She fell forwards.

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Falling backwards is dramatic effect; I know she falls forwards (actually, she jumps forward).

Which is odd because there's art showing her falling like she fell back.

Also, sinister creatures like Uboa (but finds she can't stab him) the Toriningen (but they become hostile instead of dying), along with numerous others. Some would even be mistaken for sinister creatures (Like Monoko's true form), but because of all the distorted-looking things she's seen through her journey (or lack thereof, ha ha), cannot seem to distinguish between the good creatures and the bad. (Much like the player first time through - you may assume anyone's out to get you or that everyone is good)

I know there's loopholes. I'm sorry about them.

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27977 No.790   [Delete]   [Edit]  [Reply]

Let's be Freudian.

Seccom's spaceship looks all white and whatnot. And then you land on mars. The ship = sperm, mars = egg.

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When you first enter the spaceship there's a round window. I at a glance mistook the room for a belly with a belly button. And a pregnantish one at that.

When you get in Masada's bed, regardless of your size, you make a big cream puff pastry. ~Pregnancy~

After incubating the alarms go off and you are released onto an unknown world.

This is pretty easy. I won't bother repeating all the phallic things.

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Though the unknown world is a dead end, right?
It could be shown also how that long road to that dirt hole or whatever is like some kind of life line? Like history of life.

But also, it's not like there is anything interesting on the way to the ending of the road on "mars". So it could tie in with Madotsuki having a life that had nothing interesting or nothing very wonderful?

Ehhh, ignore me. I don't know what I'm talking about. .-.

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And then the creature inside Mars. Even if you 'insert' the knife and change its colours it doesn't stop crying.

Sex doesn't make you happy. NGE quotes, etc.

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Quite a few theories on here suggest that Madotsuki's dreams are influenced by the "horribly disturbing past" that she supposedly had, with her friends dying and her being raped and whatnot...

I think, however, Madotsuki's dreams aren't influenced by her real life at all. My interpretation is, Madotsuki is probably diagnosed with a mental illness at a young age and is not allowed to go outside because of that. I don't think she's really a shut-in by choice.

Whatever her illness is, it made her have an overactive imagination. Since she could not go to the outside world, she decided to make herself a world in her dreams. (In the dream world, she was free to go out the door, wasn't she? If she really wanted to be a shut-in, she would refuse that door too.)

The MOTHER areas of dream world are commonly know to be a result of her love for video games.
But keep in mind that the famicon is not the only thing in her room: she had the TV too (true, in the game it seemed to be broken, but it was probably working some time ago. In fact, she might've made the dream world BECAUSE her TV broke)
From this, we can interpret that she based a large portion of the dream world from whatever she saw on TV.
And she probably really enjoyed horror movies, because to her, they are not scary at all. She was probably more amused by the surreal qualities of them. Thus the disturbing dreams, which she don't find disturbing.

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I like it. I really like the "horrible past" theory, but this one does make sense.

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  1. Uboa is a chick.
  2. Masada is related to Monoko/Monone.
  3. Masada is Mado's dad/step-dad.
  4. Mado was always dreaming. The ending of the game is her waking up.
  5. The player's view of the dream world is different from Mado's.
  6. Masada was Mado's rapist. (If she was ever raped, ssshhh.)
  7. Poniko isn't Uboa.
  8. Poniko IS Uboa.

These might need some explanations, since they're not all connected. If anyone wants my reasoning behind my theories, I'll post 'em.

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I say Poniko turning into Uboa at random to be a curse. :)

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there is a quote somewhere by someone I don't remember that said something about how our only true selves was what we were in the dark. I think, not to be too convoluted (I guess) that I would say that Uboa is Poniko, rather. Poniko to me already seems aggressive, just not outright. If someone behaved like that to me, I would leave them alone (maybe.)
Following that I would say that yes, the Uboa is female (unless you want to play Freud and call it her animus or something, personally, I am not so much of a fan of him)
IDK about Masada, I rage a little every time
Even if Mado wasn't raped, most people have a sexual preoccupation. Maybe she was raped, maybe not, maybe she wanted to be and was afraid of it. I dunno lol
As for the player's view being different than hers, I don't really- I mean, it's a moot point, isn't it? How would you know, and what would it matter? If the player's point of view is different, how can she look at the paintings on the wall in the sewers (they come towards you, which leads me to believe that you're just as much her as you are say, James Sunderland when you play Silent Hill 2. It's first-person, but, well, only sort of.
That's really everything I have a passionate opinion on.

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>3. Masada is Mado's dad/step-dad.
>to not contradict with 2, let's say that Masada is the love interest of Madotsuki.

Elektra syndrome?

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OP here.

Just a bit of clarification; these theories are not connected. They're just random theories that I've put together from reading other theories or come up with on my own.

For example;

>7. Poniko isn't Uboa.
>8. Poniko IS Uboa.

Are NOT the same theory. I have a theory that Poniko ISN'T Uboa, and a theory supporting that she is.

(Pic unrelated, it just made me giggle.)

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here's an idea, most likely been done before.
the apartment isn't her own, personaly i would say it's somewhere that someone recently left without a trace.
i would say that she was led by friends who thought i would be funny to lock her in they laugh as madosuki tries to get out and pretend to leave as they are leaving they turn back but get sent out of the apartment for making to much noise and breaking in and said person locks up the apartment.
and a few hours of hunger later the game beings
when it ends she kills herself because she can't take the pain of starvation no longer and she knows she'll die anyways.
toriningen, friendly looking characters that put you into somewhere unexcapeable.

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So, question. Why is Madotsuki almost always portrayed as this knife-crazy, blood spattered lunatic? It's really a choice to use the knife, I only used it maybe a dozen times throughout the game, if that. The only times you really have to use the knife is in Hell on that green thing, in the Numbers World to get to Kyuu-Kyuu, and on Uboa(aaaaaaaaaaa) though even those are optional.
So why is the concept of Mado running about killing fucking everything with the knife so common? There doesn't really have to be death or blood at all if you as the player don't make it so. What if it's quite the opposite, and Madotsuki is opposed to hurting anything-- she's frightened and confused by these intense, lucid dreams caused by any number of things in the waking world?

Just a thought. Care to extend on it, /t/?

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Perhaps I phrased that badly. I didn't stab Poniko, I stabbed Uboa.

>> No.799   [Delete]   [Edit]

That's also unnecessary. I personally became seven midgets, ran around Uboa in a circle and then poked it by accident.

I mostly agree on your point. Apart from two obstacles and the pink eye things that crowd the blue mask room, you don't really need the knife. I don't think use of the knife is taken lightly by Madotsuki because of the scream and the blood. And there are so many theories about characters being dead and the dreams being based on traumatic experiences - it makes being knife happy contradictory. If dream residents, Shitai especially, are related to traumatic experiences, then Madotsuki shouldn't be comfortable with killing things if they will scream and bleed.

To me the knife is morbid and risky. It's a loss of self-control, a struggle for control over others in the environment and has consequences (you can close off possibilities by killing the wrong thing). It's found in the Dark World which acknowledges the nature of the item and to me, the Dark World is a bit 'different' in atmosphere because of the classy pattern used to make the monkeys in the background. I know this is very subjective, but it does make me think of big houses in classic detective novels and the difference in character the culprit might reveal when the sun goes down.

What I'm getting at is that, there isn't much enjoyable about stabbing things or great incentives to do so. But presented with something dangerous in your dreams and you may find yourself acting like a different person. Acting unlike ourselves is something we'll question because, may be that is us? I think, since it's just a dream, Madotsuki lets herself try it but ultimately it doesn't dominate her mind. It's a passing thought of someone distressed.

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I think it's mostly a stylistic choice of fanartists. Main characters are often portrayed with their weapon of choice. Add to that that her knife is an unusually simple and mundane weapon and you got yourself a popular motif.

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I think you spelled it out pretty well. I like the idea you've got there.

>But presented with something dangerous in your dreams and you may find yourself acting like a different person.

True that, especially in the case of dreams where we have a greater suspension of disbelief. Things that seem abhorrent or absurd in reality might not be questioned at all in a dream namely for the fact that when you dream, the part of your brain that would typically cause you to question such oddities is not working as it would in a state of consciousness. You're more liable just to go with it.

>It's a passing thought of someone distressed.

I suppose in Mado's position I'd be prone to some pretty irrational behaviour too.


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what did everyone think when they first saw UBOA?
i think it would be interesting since theroys may be placed on this first thought.
personaly i thought "RAPERAPERAPERAPE"
but yeah looking at my first reaction there might be something there, i mean uboa was somthing to come accross by chance.

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>> No.773   [Delete]   [Edit]

with each attempt the tension grew so when it happened a actually jumped a little bit and then laughed at myself afterwards. it was like "oh, there you are". XD

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Well, I already knew about Uboa beforehand, so it wasn't much of a scare when he actually did show up. My initial reaction was a very loud "YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY" followed by a scared mother running into my room, yelling something that translates to "What the fuck are you yelling about, what is that on your monitor?" ("GRAWLGRAWL SHUT UP I'M SLEEPING YOU STUPID BRAT STOP PLAYING POKEMON").

Stupid thing is, when I was looking for Uboa a second time, this time on my laptop in my apartment, I actually yelped because he showed up after I switched off the lights for the second time. Kinda screwed up.

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I think he could represent fear of the dark. He appears when you turn the light off, and then you can't turn it back on.

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I got him the first time I hit the switch so I threw my arms into the air and cried "WOOHAA(AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA)!" Triumphantly.


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